Comments on: Kelley is back … http://www.smoking.wordpress-by.org/2003/08/26/kelley-is-back/ Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:16:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: Neva Marjory http://www.smoking.wordpress-by.org/2003/08/26/kelley-is-back/#comment-1424 Neva Marjory Mon, 26 Jul 2004 04:58:07 +0000 http://www.smoking.wordpress-by.org/2003/08/26/kelley-is-back/#comment-1424 Hi, Seven; Check out this post that Pam posted recently about dreaming about smokes - very interesting... From: "ukpam2000" <ukpam2000@... Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 10:19 am Subject: Dreams about smoking I used to have these in the early weeks/months, and know that other ppl here have experienced them too. I found this info on a smoking cessation site and thought it might be of interest here :- Dr. Terry Rustin, author of Keep Quit says, "Dreams are a natural part of sleep: they occur every ninety minutes or so throughout the night and are associated with rapid back and forth movements of the eyes beneath closed lids. Scientists call these episodes REM (rapid eye movement) sleep. Dreaming sleep is disrupted by addicting drugs, especially alcohol, Valium, cocaine, marijuana, and nicotine. In <!--more--> early recovery from addiction to these drugs, there is usually an increase in the intensity and frequency of dreams, called "REM rebound". These dreams may be vivid and threatening; they are often about using the chemical, and the dreamer may awaken believing the dream was real. The dreams often recur, night after night. Since many of these dreams are disturbing and interrupt sleep, people often want to stop having them; however, REM rebound appears to be the way the brain readjusts itself to being without chemicals. REM rebound cannot be avoided and shouldn't be; it means that your brain is healing." So, don't be discouraged about the smoking dreams in your quit. Relax and enjoy the vicarious, but harmless smoking during dreaming. When you wake up you'll still be smoke-free and happy it was only a dream! a lot of time in the morning to decide if it was a dream or real, with all the guilt etc.... i believe that this is the subconscious trying to trick us into smoking again. and yes - smoking in a dream is pure pleasure. i'm somewhat afraid that such dreams will never disapear, at least not within some years to come.... Hi, Seven;
Check out this post that Pam posted recently about dreaming about
smokes - very interesting…
From: “ukpam2000″ <ukpam2000@…
Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 10:19 am
Subject: Dreams about smoking
I used to have these in the early weeks/months, and know that other
ppl here have experienced them too. I found this info on a smoking
cessation site and thought it might be of interest here :-
Dr. Terry Rustin, author of Keep Quit says, “Dreams are a natural
part of sleep: they occur every ninety minutes or so throughout the
night and are associated with rapid back and forth movements of the
eyes beneath closed lids. Scientists call these episodes REM (rapid
eye movement) sleep. Dreaming sleep is disrupted by addicting drugs,
especially alcohol, Valium, cocaine, marijuana, and nicotine. In

early recovery from addiction to these drugs, there is usually an
increase in the intensity and frequency of dreams, called “REM
rebound”.
These dreams may be vivid and threatening; they are often about
using the chemical, and the dreamer may awaken believing the dream
was real. The dreams often recur, night after night. Since many of
these dreams are disturbing and interrupt sleep, people often want
to stop having them; however, REM rebound appears to be the way the
brain readjusts itself to being without chemicals. REM rebound
cannot be avoided and shouldn’t be; it means that your brain is
healing.”
So, don’t be discouraged about the smoking dreams in your quit.
Relax and enjoy the vicarious, but harmless smoking during dreaming.
When you wake up you’ll still be smoke-free and happy it was only a
dream!

a lot of time in the morning to decide if it was a dream or real, with all the
guilt etc…. i believe that this is the subconscious trying to trick us into
smoking again. and yes - smoking in a dream is pure pleasure. i’m somewhat
afraid that such dreams will never disapear, at least not within some years to
come….

]]> By: Neva Marjory http://www.smoking.wordpress-by.org/2003/08/26/kelley-is-back/#comment-1423 Neva Marjory Sun, 25 Jul 2004 21:43:12 +0000 http://www.smoking.wordpress-by.org/2003/08/26/kelley-is-back/#comment-1423 hi all, i'm so glad i found this group :) i've also had such a dream on my 3 day without smoke, very realistic, took me a lot of time in the morning to decide if it was a dream or real, with all the guilt etc.... i believe that this is the subconscious trying to trick us into smoking again. and yes - smoking in a dream is pure pleasure. i'm somewhat afraid that such dreams will never disapear, at least not within some years to come.... seven hi all,
i’m so glad i found this group :) i’ve also had such a dream on my 3 day without smoke, very realistic, took me a
lot of time in the morning to decide if it was a dream or real, with all the
guilt etc…. i believe that this is the subconscious trying to trick us into
smoking again. and yes - smoking in a dream is pure pleasure. i’m somewhat
afraid that such dreams will never disapear, at least not within some years to
come….
seven

]]> By: Neva Marjory http://www.smoking.wordpress-by.org/2003/08/26/kelley-is-back/#comment-631 Neva Marjory Wed, 17 Sep 2003 00:16:51 +0000 http://www.smoking.wordpress-by.org/2003/08/26/kelley-is-back/#comment-631 The day after New Year's Day, Steve asked that we do an ABC. Although I think he was probably directing this especially to the newer members of the group. I thought I'd just jump right in and do a quick ABC. It had been a particularly stressful day. I'd discovered that I'd lost my extra hard drive on my computer, had important customers coming in the next week and hardly any time to plan an agenda, had to get my boss in and out of Newark on Friday, and we were about to get one of our very rare snowstorms (I live in central North Carolina). So right in the middle of all this confusion and anxiety, I made myself stop, take a break, and do the following ABC. I thought, this will set a good example for some of the new members, show them that there's really nothing to it. I also wanted to show that there's really no "perfect" way to do ABC's. Steve may tweak them every once in a while, but that's usually to help us to put them in a more concise manner and <!--more--> to make them less confusing/easier to remember. I have found that the following method works best for me. For others, using a different approach works better and that's fine. I guess the main purpose of this follow-up post is to let everyone know that the ABC's are still very important to me. I am so glad that I took the time to write these out. By writing them out, it started me thinking about them on the way home through the storm. It was snowing quite heavily by the time I left work around 7:45p.m., dark out, and I couldn't drive over 25 mph. I was a jumble of nerves by the time I got home but I'd been thinking about those ABC's off and on during the drive. What would have happened if I'd not been prepared? Well, by the time I got home, it was still snowing like crazy, my husband pulled in behind me, he'd already been out to take my daughter to a friend's house to ride out the storm there. He came up behind me and was already shaking his head at me because I'd never moved all the 'junk' out of the way to pull my car into the garage. A few months ago the scenario would have been #2 all the way. I probably would have smoked at least a pack that night by the time I got through fighting with my husband and we would have been stuck in the house together for the next four days, feeding off of each other's anger. I'm not saying that might have happened, I'm telling you that's what would have happened. Instead I did choose #3. It didn't take but a few minutes to have hubby helping me carry the bookcase into the house, push the other projects between the other cars, and my car was snug in the garage and we proceeded to have a very nice evening together watching the snow. So there you have it. It's not just about quitting smoking, is it? A lot of it is about attitude, preparing ourselves to handle situations in a different manner than how we'd treat them BQ (before quitting). So do your ABC's and practice What Ifs in your car while driving, while standing in line, etc. It's worth the time we spend on them, believe me. - Cat The day after New Year’s Day, Steve asked that we do an ABC. Although I think
he was probably directing this especially to the
newer members of the group. I thought I’d just jump right in and do a quick ABC.
It had been a particularly stressful day. I’d
discovered that I’d lost my extra hard drive on my computer, had important
customers coming in the next week and hardly any
time to plan an agenda, had to get my boss in and out of Newark on Friday, and
we were about to get one of our very rare
snowstorms (I live in central North Carolina). So right in the middle of all
this confusion and anxiety, I made myself stop, take a
break, and do the following ABC. I thought, this will set a good example for
some of the new members, show them that there’s
really nothing to it. I also wanted to show that there’s really no “perfect”
way to do ABC’s. Steve may tweak them every once in
a while, but that’s usually to help us to put them in a more concise manner and

to make them less confusing/easier to remember.
I have found that the following method works best for me. For others, using a
different approach works better and that’s fine.
I guess the main purpose of this follow-up post is to let everyone know that the
ABC’s are still very important to me. I am so glad
that I took the time to write these out. By writing them out, it started me
thinking about them on the way home through the
storm. It was snowing quite heavily by the time I left work around 7:45p.m.,
dark out, and I couldn’t drive over 25 mph. I was a
jumble of nerves by the time I got home but I’d been thinking about those ABC’s
off and on during the drive. What would have
happened if I’d not been prepared? Well, by the time I got home, it was still
snowing like crazy, my husband pulled in behind me,
he’d already been out to take my daughter to a friend’s house to ride out the
storm there. He came up behind me and was
already shaking his head at me because I’d never moved all the ‘junk’ out of the
way to pull my car into the garage. A few months
ago the scenario would have been #2 all the way. I probably would have smoked
at least a pack that night by the time I got
through fighting with my husband and we would have been stuck in the house
together for the next four days, feeding off of each
other’s anger. I’m not saying that might have happened, I’m telling you that’s
what would have happened.
Instead I did choose #3. It didn’t take but a few minutes to have hubby helping
me carry the bookcase into the house, push the
other projects between the other cars, and my car was snug in the garage and we
proceeded to have a very nice evening together
watching the snow. So there you have it. It’s not just about quitting
smoking, is it? A lot of it is about attitude, preparing
ourselves to handle situations in a different manner than how we’d treat them BQ
(before quitting). So do your ABC’s and
practice What Ifs in your car while driving, while standing in line, etc. It’s
worth the time we spend on them, believe me.
- Cat

]]> By: Raleigh Missy http://www.smoking.wordpress-by.org/2003/08/26/kelley-is-back/#comment-618 Raleigh Missy Wed, 10 Sep 2003 23:26:05 +0000 http://www.smoking.wordpress-by.org/2003/08/26/kelley-is-back/#comment-618 Some ppl don't have a smoking dream(s) til just before they hit a year. Why then? Why at 4 months? Who knows. Well, maybe some one does. :) Neat on waking yourself up. :)) Steve Some ppl don’t have a smoking dream(s) til just before they hit a year.
Why then? Why at 4 months? Who knows. Well, maybe some one does. :) Neat on waking yourself up. :))
Steve

]]> By: Raleigh Missy http://www.smoking.wordpress-by.org/2003/08/26/kelley-is-back/#comment-614 Raleigh Missy Tue, 09 Sep 2003 11:11:32 +0000 http://www.smoking.wordpress-by.org/2003/08/26/kelley-is-back/#comment-614 It was like looking at pictures from long ago that had been completely forgotten. It felt great :) I wrote a fair bit 'back then', most to a group mail list just for the Daredevils... sort of an 'inter quit group' list. I'm afraid those emails are lost forever. At the time I was pretty new to puters and lost lots of material in files that just went missing. Yesterday I did a bit more poking through google's Usenet archives and found more old posts. Here are two from 3.5 days quit. From: Steve & Mairead (yu149625@...) Newsgroups: alt.support.stop-smoking Date: 1996/03/18 Subject: More Disconnected Unsubstantiated Musings From a Daredevils group email: "Smoking had physical connections I hadn't even thought about. Up until 2.5days ago I'd start my day with a coffee <!--more--> and a cig. I mean out of bed straight to a coffee and a cig and about half way through the coffee, straight to the bathroom, if you know what I'm saying. Well for 2.5 days I haven't had a coffee and a cig. Can you guess what else I haven't had for 2.5 days? (Damn, I know there's some Exlax around here somewhere.)" A tip from Daredevil Dana about unfiltered fruit juice(local health food store) has got everything flowing smoothly once more, if you know what I'm saying. It's all about patterns. Try and find those patterns. Daredevil Steve(3.5d) From: Steve & Mairead (yu149625@...) Subject: Re: Anyone else a purely psychological addict? Newsgroups: alt.support.stop-smoking Date: 1996/03/18 In article <4ikbk0$81c_001@... laura@... (Laura S. Bryannan) wrote: (snip) Hi Laura, First of all, your 1wk+ is an impressive feat. Good for you. As for phychological addiction, you're absolutely right. That IS where the problem lies. As hard as the first 3-4 days may be, they are managable because they are a finite period where the nicotine leaves our systems. However, the real problem is how to deal with the rest of your life. I'm still trying to get a handle on this one. When we quit, we seem to put our heads down and plow straight ahead. This works just fine until we plow straight into a wall.(Months or years later, suddenly wanting a cig.) This must be because we've overlooked or ignored some connection between our "selves" and our "habit". Since, just holding on tight and plowing ahead results in an "on guard" defensive posture, I think the key may be in an active or offensive approach to how and why we smoke. I wish I had a clearer grasp of what I'm trying to say. But at 3.5dys into this quit, recalling my own name on short notice is almost more than I can handle. Wish I could do more than just agree with you that the reasons we want to smoke are buried somewhere between our ears. I'm going to continue to look inside. I don't want to have to be "on guard" for the rest of my life. "Don't count the days. Make the days count." DD Steve(3.5d) It was like looking at pictures from long ago that had been completely
forgotten. It felt great :) I wrote a fair bit ‘back then’, most to a group mail list just for the
Daredevils… sort of an ‘inter quit group’ list. I’m afraid those emails
are lost forever. At the time I was pretty new to puters and lost lots of
material in files that just went missing.
Yesterday I did a bit more poking through google’s Usenet archives and
found more old posts. Here are two from 3.5 days quit.
From: Steve & Mairead (yu149625@…)
Newsgroups: alt.support.stop-smoking
Date: 1996/03/18
Subject: More Disconnected Unsubstantiated Musings
From a Daredevils group email:
“Smoking had physical connections I hadn’t even thought
about. Up until 2.5days ago I’d start my day with a coffee

and a cig. I mean out of bed straight to a coffee and a cig
and about half way through the coffee, straight to the
bathroom, if you know what I’m saying. Well for 2.5 days I
haven’t had a coffee and a cig. Can you guess what else I
haven’t had for 2.5 days? (Damn, I know there’s some Exlax
around here somewhere.)”
A tip from Daredevil Dana about unfiltered fruit
juice(local health food store) has got everything flowing
smoothly once more, if you know what I’m saying.
It’s all about patterns. Try and find those patterns.
Daredevil Steve(3.5d)
From: Steve & Mairead (yu149625@…)
Subject: Re: Anyone else a purely psychological addict?
Newsgroups: alt.support.stop-smoking
Date: 1996/03/18
In article <4ikbk0$81c_001@…
laura@… (Laura S. Bryannan) wrote:
(snip)
Hi Laura,
First of all, your 1wk+ is an impressive feat. Good
for you. As for phychological addiction, you’re absolutely
right. That IS where the problem lies. As hard as the first
3-4 days may be, they are managable because they are a
finite period where the nicotine leaves our systems.
However, the real problem is how to deal with the rest of
your life. I’m still trying to get a handle on this one.
When we quit, we seem to put our heads down and plow
straight ahead. This works just fine until we plow straight
into a wall.(Months or years later, suddenly wanting a
cig.) This must be because we’ve overlooked or ignored some
connection between our “selves” and our “habit”.
Since, just holding on tight and plowing ahead results in
an “on guard” defensive posture, I think the key may be in
an active or offensive approach to how and why we smoke.
I wish I had a clearer grasp of what I’m trying to say.
But at 3.5dys into this quit, recalling my own name on short
notice is almost more than I can handle.
Wish I could do more than just agree with you that the
reasons we want to smoke are buried somewhere between our
ears. I’m going to continue to look inside. I don’t want to
have to be “on guard” for the rest of my life.
“Don’t count the days. Make the days count.”
DD Steve(3.5d)

]]> By: Neva Marjory http://www.smoking.wordpress-by.org/2003/08/26/kelley-is-back/#comment-609 Neva Marjory Sun, 07 Sep 2003 01:04:50 +0000 http://www.smoking.wordpress-by.org/2003/08/26/kelley-is-back/#comment-609 Hey Cat Tell me about smoking dreams! ....at your stage of the quit (around 3 months?) I was having those. They really used to bug me. Steve suggested it was the subconscious coming to terms with being an ex- smoker. I'd have dreams where I smoked furiously and felt terrible when I woke up til I realised it was a dream, then dreams where I'd sneak a cig in a corner somewhere, til I finally had a dream where I was offered a cig and said 'no thanks, I don't smoke' I never had another one - it's been months since I had one of those dreams. Congrats - another milestone for you. Pam Hey Cat
Tell me about smoking dreams! ….at your stage of the quit (around
3 months?) I was having those. They really used to bug me. Steve
suggested it was the subconscious coming to terms with being an ex-
smoker. I’d have dreams where I smoked furiously and felt terrible
when I woke up til I realised it was a dream, then dreams where I’d
sneak a cig in a corner somewhere, til I finally had a dream where I
was offered a cig and said ‘no thanks, I don’t smoke’ I never had
another one - it’s been months since I had one of those dreams.
Congrats - another milestone for you.
Pam

]]> By: Neva Marjory http://www.smoking.wordpress-by.org/2003/08/26/kelley-is-back/#comment-608 Neva Marjory Sat, 06 Sep 2003 17:49:55 +0000 http://www.smoking.wordpress-by.org/2003/08/26/kelley-is-back/#comment-608 Steve - thanks, you're right. I realised this mornings anxiety was about my subconscious worrying about what'll be waiting for me at work next week. Wasn't expecting anything major, just the usual overflowing in-tray. Anyway I sat down and thought about it all, listed what I knew would be coming up and some strategies to deal with it - non-smoking ones. ABC'ing, right? This is something I don't usually do - I'd usually wade blindly in next Monday and pack a few cigs in to 'help' me cope. And smoke myself silly this week putting off thinking about it. Couldn't get onto ICQ last night but it seems fine so far today. Gail and Mike - hope it's going well, and hi to Kelley. And thanks to Pam too for all that advice and info and your welcome. still foggy but smiling again Katie Steve - thanks, you’re right.
I realised this mornings anxiety was about my subconscious worrying
about what’ll be waiting for me at work next week. Wasn’t expecting
anything major, just the usual overflowing in-tray. Anyway I sat
down and thought about it all, listed what I knew would be coming up
and some strategies to deal with it - non-smoking ones. ABC’ing,
right? This is something I don’t usually do - I’d usually wade
blindly in next Monday and pack a few cigs in to ‘help’ me cope.
And smoke myself silly this week putting off thinking about it.
Couldn’t get onto ICQ last night but it seems fine so far today.
Gail and Mike - hope it’s going well, and hi to Kelley. And thanks
to Pam too for all that advice and info and your welcome.
still foggy but smiling again
Katie

]]> By: Neva Marjory http://www.smoking.wordpress-by.org/2003/08/26/kelley-is-back/#comment-605 Neva Marjory Thu, 04 Sep 2003 22:20:28 +0000 http://www.smoking.wordpress-by.org/2003/08/26/kelley-is-back/#comment-605 Morning Indi - hope you got your computer sorted out last night and got your icq back up and running. Now now, using naughty words on here.....tut tut ;) There must indeed be a great ABC round that hassle last night....c'mon then.... Morning Indi - hope you got your computer sorted out last night and
got your icq back up and running. Now now, using naughty words on
here…..tut tut ;) There must indeed be a great ABC round that
hassle last night….c’mon then….

]]> By: hassan_11 http://www.smoking.wordpress-by.org/2003/08/26/kelley-is-back/#comment-604 hassan_11 Thu, 04 Sep 2003 07:00:55 +0000 http://www.smoking.wordpress-by.org/2003/08/26/kelley-is-back/#comment-604 Well now I know what the dd stands for!!!! Indi Well now I know what the dd stands for!!!!
Indi

]]> By: hassan_11 http://www.smoking.wordpress-by.org/2003/08/26/kelley-is-back/#comment-603 hassan_11 Wed, 03 Sep 2003 23:46:01 +0000 http://www.smoking.wordpress-by.org/2003/08/26/kelley-is-back/#comment-603 Marde the b.... word is certainly a curse word in England - maybe you are ajust a wicked woman Indi Marde the b…. word is certainly a curse word in England - maybe you are
ajust a wicked woman
Indi

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